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Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby organizational on Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:32 pm

Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds of Flax

A monk asked Tozan, "What is the Buddha?"

Tozan answered, "Three pounds of flax!"

Mumon's Comment: Tozan's Zen is like a clam. When the two halves of the shell open, you can see the whole inside. However, now tell me, "What is Tozan's real insides?"

Just "Three pounds of flax!" pops up,
His words are close, and yet his heart is closer.
Anyone who explains this or that, yes and no,
is himself the man of yes and no.
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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby organizational on Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:35 pm

A n y comments?
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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby Gregory Wonderwheel on Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:48 pm

organizational wrote:A n y comments?

If you can't find a shirt made of flax, I'm sure you can get one made of hemp.

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby organizational on Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:21 pm

Gregory Wonderwheel wrote:If you can't find a shirt made of flax, I'm sure you can get one made of hemp.


It is sth like I've learned the swimming today.

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby Jok_Hae on Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:35 pm

organizational wrote:Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds of Flax

A monk asked Tozan, "What is the Buddha?"

Tozan answered, "Three pounds of flax!"

Mumon's Comment: Tozan's Zen is like a clam. When the two halves of the shell open, you can see the whole inside. However, now tell me, "What is Tozan's real insides?"

Just "Three pounds of flax!" pops up,
His words are close, and yet his heart is closer.
Anyone who explains this or that, yes and no,
is himself the man of yes and no.


Just now, how is it?

Don't be a (person) of yes and no, friend!
You make, you get

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby desert_woodworker on Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:51 pm

Flak jacket.

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby Michaeljc on Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:33 am

I have absolutely no idea what they are talking about :blush:
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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby desert_woodworker on Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:48 am

howdy, Michael,

Michaeljc wrote:I have absolutely no idea what they are talking about :blush:

Yeah ya do. 'cept, ...it's not much to do with "idea(s)".

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ps and Tozan's reply is medicine, not "information".
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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby organizational on Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:57 am

Jok_Hae wrote:
organizational wrote:Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds of Flax

A monk asked Tozan, "What is the Buddha?"

Tozan answered, "Three pounds of flax!"

Mumon's Comment: Tozan's Zen is like a clam. When the two halves of the shell open, you can see the whole inside. However, now tell me, "What is Tozan's real insides?"

Just "Three pounds of flax!" pops up,
His words are close, and yet his heart is closer.
Anyone who explains this or that, yes and no,
is himself the man of yes and no.


Just now, how is it?

Don't be a (person) of yes and no, friend!



Yes, sir!
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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby organizational on Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:25 am

Children(or sons) should listen to their fathers.
My(own):Todays! quote


I feel myself like being in an olympic swimming pool.Yet not just my english is poor but also my knowledge and experience is limited.I hope that doesn't make you unhappy.

I remember the first day that me and my sister were get in to the olympic swimming pool after practicing enough at the child pool.We were going to a swimming course and we had a swimming teacher.We were child and began at the child pool ordinarily.One day after enough training! the teacher got us near the olympic pool.He said me to jump in.And I got jump.Then he threw my sister to the pool.Then he jumped in behind us.That was the first day that we entered the big pool.After 6 months I was swimming like a fish.a sweet anectode wanted to share.
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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby organizational on Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:31 am

desert_woodworker wrote:Flak jacket.

--Joe


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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby jundo on Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:55 pm

First off, the whole premise is wrong. It was only 2.97 pounds of Flax.

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby [james] on Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:00 pm

jundo wrote:First off, the whole premise is wrong. It was only 2.97 pounds of Flax.

Gassho, J

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby organizational on Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:47 pm

Problems get solved by talking.

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby Gregory Wonderwheel on Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:08 am

jundo wrote:First off, the whole premise is wrong. It was only 2.97 pounds of Flax.

Gassho, J

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LOL. Is that a conversion rate? Or are you saying someone had their thumb on the scale?

I figure the conversions as
27. 216 Liang = 3 pounds = 1.3608 kilo.
or
3 Laing = 0.3306 pound = 0.15 kilo.

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby Guo Gu on Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:45 am

a dumb question gets a dumb answer!
yet mumon perplexes generations of practitioners.

what is buddha?
what are you?
who dares wear that three pounds of flax?

be free,
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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby organizational on Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:15 am

Guo Gu wrote:a dumb question gets a dumb answer!
yet mumon perplexes generations of practitioners.

what is buddha?
what are you?
who dares wear that three pounds of flax?

be free,
guo gu


What is Buddha nature in another means Guo Gu?
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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby bokki on Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:43 pm

what is buddha?
what are you?
who dares wear that three pounds of flax?

lol u just outdid ur self
lol

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby desert_woodworker on Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:54 am

Speaking of WEIGHTS:

A monk asked Chao-chou (778-896 A.D.),

    "All things return to the One. Where does the One return to? "

    Chao-chou replied, "When I was staying at Chin chou, I made a robe of cloth weighing seven pounds."
I once felt the weight of my Shih-fu's heavy thick green robe (he had others), while he stood before me, during a Ch'an retreat. This incident occurred outdoors. I was sitting on a hill outside, overlooking the Lake at the Pine Bush (NY) property, and with Shihfu before me, I lifted up the dark green hem of his robe, and felt the weight in my hand, up to a foot or so in height. It was heavy! Dense... . And the color of stone, covered in algae, say, in a pond, or lake. Beautiful. Old, I think. Inherited... .

He shook me off rapidly. A lady on that retreat was having an incident, down near the 4-acre pond. I asked if it was because of the intensity of practice during 7-day retreat, or if she was disposed this way due to an infirmity, "always". He implored me to go to her; he knew we had a karmic-connection. I was ready to run to her, a football-field away, in my bare feet: "Stella", she called herself, to me. Others knew her as "Estelle". This Astronomer had to help someone so-named (she was a lovely adult Chinese practitioner, too). And I felt in a state to be able. Plus, she'd been kind to me, throwing me so eloquently a handful of Kleenex a day earlier, from her seat in Lotus in the silence of the inside of the Ch'an Hall when I was tearful, and all snotty. Her aim was uncannily accurate. But, something in my Shih-fu's actions outdoors just then prevented my sprinting from my cushion outdoors to Stella down at the edge of the Lake. I regret it. I think I could have helped, and so very much wanted to. ;)

But I went back inside and sat, then, as did we all (about 75 of us!). Maybe just as well. All became OK.

Boy..., if you don't practice with a teacher and sangha, you miss out on this kind of thing. :Namaste:

Other things, we can't talk about at all. Just incapable. Imagine... . (No, don't).

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Re: Case 18 Tozan's Three Pounds

Postby babybuddha on Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:31 am

While the seed is sitting on the scale.

The flax seed asked the scale, "What is the Buddha?"

The scale shows, "Three pounds"
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